Saturday, May 12, 2012

A Heated Geocentric Debate

There came a time when I was very active on web forums, and trying to present the Islamic Geocentric argument and its evidences.
One of these forums is AhlAlHdeeth.com where I participated in a heated discussion about the subject. I found supporters who were already INITIATED into our small Geocentric Club (so to speak), and others who tried to counter-argue the facts.
It was a good discussion, so I want to provide a link here to it.
I started contributing on the 4th page of the topic.. my UserName there was (Salama Al-Masry)



http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vb/showthread.php?t=188315&page=4
(In Arabic)

The topic was abruptly CLOSED without any specific reason, just one day before the Big Event started in my country (i.e. January 25th Egyptian Revolution) !!


5 comments:

  1. Shite !!! if only i could understand arabic, would have been good. :( It really Shucks not understanding the arabic language even though i can read it.

    Hmmm, Time to marry an arab Girl. ;)

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  2. Traditional Catholicism has always and will always teach geocentrism as truth. Extremely good material on this can be seen at www.galileowaswrong.com and www.galileowaswrong.blogspot.com as well as http://www.scripturecatholic.com/geocentrism.html

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    1. http://205.196.121.139/qpmh5586rl5g/fddmv5wkzkj/Geocentrism.pdf

      http://www.realityreviewed.com/GU3.htm
      http://earthisthecenteroftheuniverse.blogspot.com/
      m_bashher11@yahoo.com

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  3. If we first destroy the role Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, Newton, Einstein, Sagan et al have played in foisting this *lie* on mankind. Because the logic, physical senses, astronomical observations and most importantly the word of Allah the All-Wise and All-Knowing against a moving Earth are overpowering. It is Copernicanism that paved the way for Darwinism, which then spawned Marxism, Freudism, Einsteinism, Newtonism and Saganism.

    Some examples from Qur'an and the books of Tafsir:

    1) Surah an-Naml, verse 61 - Tafsir Jalalayn:
    "Or He Who made the earth an abode [of stability], that does not [constantly] shake beneath [the feet of] its inhabitants, and made rivers [to flow] throughout it and set firm mountains for it, with which He fixed the earth [in place], and set an isthmus between the two seas, between the sweet one and the salty one, the one not mixing with the other. Is there a god with God? Nay, but most of them have no knowledge, of His Oneness."

    2) Surah ar-Ra'd, verse 2 - Tafsir Jalalayn:
    "God is He Who raised up the heavens without visible supports (‘amad is the plural of ‘imād, which is [the same as] an ustuwāna, ‘a column’; and this [statement] is true, since there are no actual supports) then presided upon the Throne, a presiding befitting Him, and disposed, made subservient, the sun and the moon, each one, of them, moving, along its course, until [the conclusion of] an appointed time, that is, [until] the Day of Resurrection. He directs the command, He conducts the affairs of His Kingdom. He details, He expounds, the signs, the indications of His power, so that you, O people of Mecca, might be certain of the encounter with your Lord, through resurrection."

    3) Surah Ibrahim, verse 33 - Tafsir Jalalayn:
    "And He has disposed for you the sun and the moon, constant, moving in their courses without pause; and He has disposed for you the night, that you may rest therein, and the day, that you may seek of His bounty therein."

    4) Surah YaSeen, verse 40 - Tafsir Jalalayn:
    "It does not behove — it is [neither] facilitated nor is it right for — the sun to catch up with the moon, and so appear together with it at night, nor may the night outrun the day, and thus it [the night] never arrives before the latter ends and each (kullun: the nunation compensates for the [missing] genitive annexation [that would have been constructed] with al-shams, ‘the sun’, al-qamar, ‘the moon’, and al-nujūm, ‘the stars’) [of these] is in an orbit, swimming, moving — these [celestial bodies] are being treated as [though they were] rational beings."

    Tafseer ibn 'Abbas for the above ayah states:
    "It does not behove — it is [neither] facilitated nor is it right for — the sun to catch up with the moon, and so appear together with it at night, nor may the night outrun the day, and thus it [the night] never arrives before the latter ends and each (kullun: the nunation compensates for the [missing] genitive annexation [that would have been constructed] with al-shams, ‘the sun’, al-qamar, ‘the moon’, and al-nujūm, ‘the stars’) [of these] is in an orbit, swimming, moving — these [celestial bodies] are being treated as [though they were] rational beings."

    5) Sa'eed ibn Mansoor narrated that K'ab Radiallahu 'Anhu said in the presense of 'Abdullah ibn Mas'ood and Huzaifa ibn al-Yaman Radiallahu 'anhum: "The heaven revolves."

    However, both 'Abdullah ibn Mas'ood and Huzaifa bin al-Yaman Radiallahu 'Anhum said agreeably that:

    "Ka'b said incorrect, and undoubtedly Allah has withheld the heavens and the earth least they move." And 'Abdullah ibn Mas'ood Radallahu 'Anhu supporting this statement added that
    "Allah's commandment is enough for us, and they (Heavens & the Earth) do *not* move."

    {Fiq-hus- Sahaba Ba'd al-Khulfa al-Arba'}

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  4. You guys are so blind it's funny xD

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